[Movies] More Spider-Man 4 Villain Rumors
Posted by Larry Csonka on 11.09.2009
A lady this time…
The Spider-Man 4 villain rumors continue today as Mania.com has reported that Rachel McAdams (Wedding Crashers) has met with Spider-Man 4 producers to discuss playing the role of Black Cat (Felicia Hardy). Black Cat was portrayed in the comics as a burglar, who was able to jinx anyone that opposed her. She eventually would reform and have a romantic relationship with Spider-Man.
Do you think Black Cat will work better than The Lizard as the main villain in Spider-Man 4?
Wait a second. McAdams already plays Betty Brant in this series. Maybe she was just meeting with the producers about returning to the role she already has.
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 09, 2009 at 05:20 PM
I think the Lizard already has build to it, with the professor having come out in previous installments.
Besides that, looking at Black Cat... Rachel McAdams isn't the person that comes to mind in terms of figure.
Posted By: Serial (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:23 PM
If I was Spiderman I would cobweb and fuck the shit outta her!
Posted By: Scottyieoittie (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:28 PM
Scrap the whole fucking movie deal and make a decent TV show starring a real man as Spiderman.
Posted By: Guest#8239 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:30 PM
Black Cat was an intriguing character. But between her and the Lizard, there's no comparison. Lizard all the way!
Posted By: Guest#9745 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:35 PM
Nope, she wouldn't be better than The Lizard. There are worse choices, but also better. Though Rachel McAdams is always welcome to a movie.
Posted By: Guest#5012 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:39 PM
That's not Rachel McAdams that plays Betty Brant, that Elizabeth Banks. And I think she is a better casting choice and Black Cat, than Freakin Kirsten Dunst and MJ.
Posted By: Guest#7076 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:46 PM
Here is the problem for the Spidey franchise. The main villians have already been covered, and everyone else is B-list. There are some great effects and things that you can do with some of these guys, but they just aren't a strong enough villian (the kind that can carry a movie). Did adding Sandman make SM3 any better than just a straight-up Vemon would have?
Posted By: Cory (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:49 PM
Betty Brant was played by Elizabeth Banks not Rachel McAdams
Posted By: Malibou (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:51 PM
Rachel McAdams does not play Betty Brant. Elizabeth Banks plays Betty Brant in all 3 Spider-Man films.
Posted By: Superbeast (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:54 PM
Elizabeth Banks played Betty Brant but that doesn't matter because I'll take McAdams on there, too!!!
Posted By: D-Bo (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:54 PM
Isn't Betty Brant Elizabeth Banks in the movie, not Rachel McAdams? No conflict there if so.
Posted By: AAA (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 05:57 PM
Quite frankly I believe there is space for at least another important classic Spidey villain in a 2 hours movie with a nice pace. what about Electro? And what about a crazy Woody Harrelson for the role? You can use the Heaven and Hell song "Follow The Tears" when Electro comes to life, those fucking heavy awesome Tony Iommi riffs would fit perfectly. I'm kinda sick at the lack of amazing rock-metal songs to define some cinematic moments, they would be great.
Posted By: max (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 06:18 PM
Wait a second. McAdams already plays Betty Brant in this series. Maybe she was just meeting with the producers about returning to the role she already has.
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 09, 2009 at 05:20 PM
that would actually be elizabeth banks buddy, you seemed very sure lol
Posted By: nic (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 06:40 PM
why they can't just go w/ a returning Venom & debuting Carnage is beyond me. Make it dark like TDK, borderline PG13/R and there you go. Beef up Venom to look more like the comics and make Carnage out of his God damn mind homicidal. How hard is it????
Posted By: JP (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:04 PM
"Here is the problem for the Spidey franchise. The main villians have already been covered, and everyone else is B-list."
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Bull, and shit.
Villains not used in Spider-Man movies that appeared within the first year and a half of the comic series, appearing consistently and prominently for the past nearly fifty years:
Chameleon
Vulture
Lizard
The Enforcers
Electro (who was originally going to be in the first Spider-Man movie)
Mysterio
Kraven
Scorpion
There are no "B-list" characters. Only D-List WRITERS.
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"There are some great effects and things that you can do with some of these guys, but they just aren't a strong enough villian (the kind that can carry a movie). Did adding Sandman make SM3 any better than just a straight-up Vemon would have?"
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Venom is a relatively new character - an early product of comics' late 1980s-into-90s obsession with style over substance. He was quickly overexposed all to hell, has a positively idiotic backstory, no redeeming qualities about him besides a menacing look, and was so obviously shoehorned into Spider-Man 3 at the last minute, I'm surprised all the special effects were finished in time.
I dunno what the hell movie you were watching, but Sandman was (at least clearly intended as) Spidey 3's main villain - with Harry as the Green Goblin doing his thing - until Sony poked Sam Raimi with a stick enough times that he finally agreed to shove Venom into the final 20 minutes (with all the effort of a little league coach playing a 3rd string kid in the final inning). At NO point, before or after, was it even CLOSE to being "a straight-up Venom movie," nor should it have been.
Spider-Man 3 may not have been a great movie without Venom, but it would've had a hell of a better chance at it.
Christ.
Posted By: Danger Boy (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:30 PM
She's hot.
Posted By: MBD (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:31 PM
"Here is the problem for the Spidey franchise. The main villians have already been covered, and everyone else is B-list. There are some great effects and things that you can do with some of these guys, but they just aren't a strong enough villian (the kind that can carry a movie). Did adding Sandman make SM3 any better than just a straight-up Vemon would have? "
ALL the main villians? They still have The Lizard, Mysterio, Kraven the Hunter, The Vulture, and Electro to go through with his primary villains. If they're not going to use The Lizard, I think they can present a compelling movie with either Kraven or Mysterio. The Black Cat just doesn't work.
Posted By: Guest#9576 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:53 PM
Wait, Black Cat is supposed to be hot...
Posted By: KX (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 08:05 PM
The entire movie is a waste at thos point. I like Mcadams but her as Black cat...meh
Posted By: Guest#9165 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 09:06 PM
Wow, you're all right. I have no idea why Rachel McAdams morphed into Elizabeth Banks in my mind. Weird.
OK, now that I've been corrected, I can weigh in on this. I'm all for bringing Black Cat in, but maybe they should wait till Part 5. I'm perfectly fine with The Lizard being the only villain in Part 4, and I think most fans would be, too. I'd like to see them just get back to one villain per movie.
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 09, 2009 at 09:22 PM
Lizard FTW
Posted By: BBM (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 09:39 PM
Since Black Widow is showing up in Iron Man 2, and they have a similar visual, I'd go with Lizard.
Posted By: Deathpool (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 09:42 PM
"I'm kinda sick at the lack of amazing rock-metal songs to define some cinematic moments, they would be great."
Because shitty metals songs got overexposed in the '90s/early '00s. Nothing about Spider-Man screams metal. Remember that classic Spidey theme done by that one band back in the day? Yeah, the Ramones. They would've been better off using NYC bands to help add to the overall New York theme of the first two movies. Leave the generic metal for shitty horror and Vin Diesel movies.
Posted By: Guest#4252 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 10:16 PM
Wait, Black Cat is supposed to be hot...
Posted By: KX (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 08:05 PM
I would like to see your definition of hot women. Because Rachel Mcadams is defiantly hot. She can dress into that leather any day of the week for me. I think she would be perfect for the role. I mean felicia hardy already looks like her.
Posted By: Guest#2137 (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 10:33 PM
The only person that should play Black Cat should be Eliza Dushku.
Posted By: D-Gonza (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 11:10 PM
See, I think the film will need a villain that's capable of getting into Spider-man's head - that's where the series has generally gotten a fair share of its drama from, and now TDK's Joker has taken the whole concept a lot further. The Black Cat would probably be a better bet to do so than Lizard, but to be honest I just think it will be an uphill battle to convince the audience that she is a seperate character to Catwoman - especially if the rumours about Catwoman being in the next Batman film turn out to be true. That and the fact that she just isn't bad... the audience is going to need someone to rally against.
While I wouldn't say that the well has run dry in terms of Spider-man's catalogue of bad guys, I do think it is going to be tough to find one particular character to fit the bill and play all the parts required. Lizard seems a bit too mute, (figuatively speaking - I am aware he can talk), to get any real drama from.
I always thought Chameleon, played by John Malkovich, could offer a number of interesting storylines. My ideal set up would be to have a minor bad guy, maybe someone like Shocker, taken down in the first 15 minutes to give the film an explosive start, (something that so far the series has lacked). Then bring in Chameleon as someone who attacks Parker mentally, (the return of Peter's parents storyline?), while perhaps having a less intellectual partner to provide the physical challenge - maybe rhino, spider-slayers, Vermin etc.
Alternatively, Scorpion would have a number of interesting possibilities - playing out like a dark mirror to Parker's own transformation. Or Vulture might present an interesting set of possibilities as there's the drama of him trying to cure his cancer by any means necessary.
Basically, there are plenty of options, but it's irritating when these are overlooked in favour of what can be marketed to a broad audience. I didn't see any Joker action figures on the release of TDK but it sure as hell didn't hurt the box office return. Hopefully Sony see that now.
Posted By: RawShark (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:06 AM
umm kingpin spidey thought him
Posted By: mel (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:28 AM
I am sure someone has already addressed the moron that "claimed" it is Rachel McAdams that plays Betty Brant, but I will chime in also. It is Elizabeth Banks you idiot. Elizabeth Banks. Got it? Wow.
Posted By: Guest#6137 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 01:16 AM
Ha, for a while there everyone was being pretty polite about my mistaking Elizabeth Banks for Rachel McAdams, but finally someone came in and called me a "moron." Thanks for restoring my faith in Internet message boards. But I'll admit, it was a boneheaded mistake. I guess for some reason those two are like Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton to me - easily interchangable in my head. And I say that knowing full well that they really aren't THAT similar, so I have no idea why that is.
Anyway, something I don't think anyone else has mentioned in here yet is one of the other reasons Black Cat might be a bad idea for Spider-Man 4. It seems to me that if she shows up, the writers will obviously use her as a foil in the Peter-MJ relationship. But do we really want to sit through more of that? Isn't that what Gwen Stacy was for in the last movie? And does that mean Gwen is not coming back for this one? If not, can't we just let Peter and MJ be a happy couple in this one, and move beyond that part of the story for at least one movie?
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 10, 2009 at 07:22 AM
Gotta go w/Carnage and its gotta be dark.
Posted By: Choopa (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 08:53 AM
Firelord!
Posted By: Joe (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 09:53 AM
Hey, isn't the Vulture supposed to be in the film? I thought he was played by ben kingsley?
Posted By: mortimer (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM
I agree with RawShark. I think it would be great to have it start off with Spidey taking down a villain. There doesn't need to be this huge backstory for everyone. Start the movie off with Rhino tearing down the city, and then move on to Dr. Connors, who already has been introduced.
I don't really see the issue with having multiple villains if done properly. Batman Returns essentially had 3 villains and that was a great movie.
Posted By: Beerad (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 12:54 PM
I've always thought it would be cool if Spider-Man 6 is actually Spidey taking on the Sinister Six. Can't you just see the poster, where the word "Spider-Man" is broken in half or covered-up with the word "Sinister?" The thing is, what six villains do you use? Sandman is still out there. If you use Lizard in 4 or 5 and don't kill him, there's another. You could use Venom, even without Eddie Brock - maybe a new Venom is grown from the piece of the symbiote Connors (presumably) still has. Electro should probably be in there. And I suppose possibly Kraven.
But the problem here is it's not gonna seem right unless Green Goblin is in there as well. And while they ARE comic book movies, I don't know how I feel about them potentially resurrecting Norman. Still, it might be worth it, since it would be a great way to cap off the whole series.
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 10, 2009 at 01:33 PM
TrevorSnyder, I agree that a well managed Sinister Six would make for a good premise. Now we get into the argument about the ideal six... Oc's dead, Sandman reformed/blew away, so with that in mind...
Chameleon (leading the outfit)
Kraven
Electro
Vulture
Rhino
Mysterio
Frankly there's a lot of room to play around with and that will lead to various story possibilities. They could do a lot worse than just using the 1990's Spider-Man cartoon as a starting block. Spider-man 3 would have been much the better film for it of they had.
Kudos to Joe for making me laugh out loud. Firelord, hahahahahahah! Well, maybe if they can convince Russel Brand to set his head on fire...
Posted By: RawShark (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 04:25 PM
why they can't just go w/ a returning Venom & debuting Carnage is beyond me. Make it dark like TDK, borderline PG13/R and there you go. Beef up Venom to look more like the comics and make Carnage out of his God damn mind homicidal. How hard is it????
Posted By: JP (Guest) on November 09, 2009 at 07:04 PM
Do you need a napkin for that fanboy orgy you just wrote down?
I'll tell you what's so hard. They screwed up Venom and who gives a flying crap about Carnage? Black Cat is at least a character they can work with.
Posted By: Guest#2482 (Guest) on November 10, 2009 at 07:59 PM
Ha, for a while there everyone was being pretty polite about my mistaking Elizabeth Banks for Rachel McAdams, but finally someone came in and called me a "moron." Thanks for restoring my faith in Internet message boards. But I'll admit, it was a boneheaded mistake. I guess for some reason those two are like Bill Pullman and Bill Paxton to me - easily interchangable in my head. And I say that knowing full well that they really aren't THAT similar, so I have no idea why that is.
Anyway, something I don't think anyone else has mentioned in here yet is one of the other reasons Black Cat might be a bad idea for Spider-Man 4. It seems to me that if she shows up, the writers will obviously use her as a foil in the Peter-MJ relationship. But do we really want to sit through more of that? Isn't that what Gwen Stacy was for in the last movie? And does that mean Gwen is not coming back for this one? If not, can't we just let Peter and MJ be a happy couple in this one, and move beyond that part of the story for at least one movie?
Posted By: TrevorSnyder (Registered) on November 10, 2009 at 07:22 AM
Bill Pullman/Bill Paxton. I thought I was the only one to confuse them. Plus, if you look at the picture of Rachel at the top of the page, she does look an awful lot like E.B.
I like to think most on Internet message boards are decent. I'd like to think that, but....
Anyway, isn't Gwen supposed to be in this also? Maybe I just hoped she was so much that I accepted it as reality.
Posted By: Guest#3821 (Guest) on November 11, 2009 at 01:25 AM
